There was a large turnout of people at your political party event in Agbor last weekend which had the APC national chairman, Alhaji Abdullahi Ganduje, in attendance. How significant was that gathering for your party and your people?

The most important thing is the boost the APC under the national chairman, Alh Abdullahi Ganduje, received in Agbor where thousands of PDP members decamped under what they called DUD. DUD is a social group in Delta operating within the PDP. They all decamped into the APC. So, APC is growing in strength. The national chairman was there to receive them, I was there and so was the Edo state governor.

And at that event, when the national chairman said President Bola Tinubu, himself and the APC leadership are supporting the creation of Anioma State as the sixth state for Ndigbo. So, Ndigbo have a duty to make sure that this happens. And for this to happen, they must support the APC across the board.

Look, the most important part of the story is that when the state is created, Ndigbo generally will begin to feel a sense of belonging – something they have been asking for since the Civil War ended.

Why do you think that many of our people since after the war began to deny their ‘Igboness’? Maybe you are not aware (that) many people here were massacred in Asaba, Ishiagu and other communities by the Nigerian troops. Thousands were killed in their cold blood. What was their offence? Because they were Igbos, because the Col. Nwawos, Achuzias and Nzeogwus were from this side (Anioma).

So, they easily understood that we are Igbos. But, of course, for many people to avoid being killed, they began to say, “Don’t kill us, we are not Igbo (anyi aburo Ndigbo). We are people from….’ And that has continued to date. So, let me commend Ohanaeze Ndigbo. Ohanaeze has done wonderfully well in trying to integrate the Igbos in Delta and Rivers.

As a matter of fact, as far as Ohanaeze is concerned, there are seven Igbo states. They treat Anioma as a state; they treat Ikwerre as a state. And now we have a chance to make one of those states a real state. And God knows that once Anioma becomes a state, the next attention is Ikwerre.

I hate when I remember what former President (Buhari) said when he was describing ESN (Eastern States Network) and our youths. He was angry talking about them. He said they are a ‘dot’ in a circle. You remember he said that.

But Ndigbo generally – Igbo governors, Senators and other National Assembly members – have a duty to support their brethren; their lost brothers as it were. We need that support; we need that love. We are the same – the same language, culture, food, music, attire and the same virtually everything.

Anioma is in Delta State in the South-South geopolitical zone. How would its creation redress the agitation for an additional state in the Southeast zone to enable the zone have an equal number of states with other zones including the South-South?

It (Anioma State) will be the sixth state of the Southeast. Then, there will be another state to be called “Delta” – new Delta – with the capital in Warri that will become the sixth state in the South-South.

We already have five states in the Southeast. Why do you divide the five states? Why don’t you come here and acquire another state because you will have more land. Do you understand the difference? Because if you divide any of the five states to get another state, you are wasting your time because you are not increasing in population, you are not increasing in land mass, you are not increasing in natural resources, you are not increasing in anything.

Senator Chris Adighije told me a story last year when he came to see me. He told me that after the war, he had a cook from Ogoni. One day he was hungry and told the cook to give him food. He said the cook brought the food with only one meat in the soup. He was angry. He asked the cook why he would give him food with just one piece of meat. “When did you start giving me one meat in the soup?” Senator Adighije had queried. He told me that the cook didn’t say anything but rather carried the food back to the kitchen. Five minutes later, the cook came back with the food with five pieces of meat in the soup.

He (Chris) asked the cook again, “Why did you give me one piece of meat before?” The cook replied, “Oga, you wanted five pieces of meat. So, that one piece of meat is what I cut into five pieces.” That one piece of meat that Senator Adighije rejected was what the cook cut into five pieces. So, now you have five but in real terms, it is only one meat that he ate. Do you understand Senator Adighije’s story?

So, any Igbo man or woman who is asking for any of the five states that you already have to be divided is as bad as that cook in Senator Adighije’s story.

Anioma will give you more historical justice because we have suffered; we have been denied, deprived, denigrated and for too long our people have been more like in the wilderness.

And this is a chance for restitution; a chance to support. Do you know that when the Anioma State is created, no Anioma person in the next generation will say “I’m not an Igbo man?” They would have reversed the killings done in Asaba and other neighbouring villages during the Civil War.

Will you want the Igbanke people in Delta State to join you in Anioma State?

Yes, they are part of us.

But they said that Ogbemudia sold them to….

(Cuts in): No, no, no. They came to me. And I have told them ‘Let’s face the nine local government areas first; that by the time we achieve that through boundary adjustment, I will bring them in.

You said President Tinubu and the APC national leadership support the quest for Anioma State creation, which is why you probably decamped from the PDP that gave you the platform on which you won the election to the Senate to the APC. However, this administration has only two years to go. How would you feel if at the end of this tenure, Anioma State is not created?

It will be created. If it is not created this time, it will be created in the next government. Tinubu will still be president in the next government, I’m sure. It will be created.

Does Anioma have what it takes to survive as a state?

We have oil and gas. Six of the nine local government areas that make up Anioma are rich in oil and gas and other minerals. We have 10 major oil platforms, small refineries, gas refineries and companies operating in Anioma land.

The president promised me something before I joined the APC and he has done it. He said he would help to fund two dams in our area for pipe-borne water for home-use and irrigation. In the current budget, we have almost N30 billion for the two dams – to complete the Ogwuashi Ukwu Dam and to build another one behind there not far from here (points at an area in his community).

This wouldn’t have been possible if I had remained in the PDP. That’s why I said every Igbo man should support the APC because we can get a lot more from the federal government.